B. from what I do understand, I don't see why it is relevant, and generally, when something is irrelevant it is wrong simply because it is simply adding more complexity to the books (I think we all know the Cosmere has plenty), and is pointless. There are hints throughout Era 1 that Kelsier was still around, including Sazed flat out saying that Kelsier requested Spook be made a Mistborn. When Kelsier became a Mistborn and returned to Luthadel, he first sought out Dockson and recruited him for his plan. Marasi Colms: An Allomantic Pulser (able to slow down time in a bubble around herself) and a constable in the Elendel constabulary. Don't make me come over there and slap you around again. Even with the strongest criminal team ever put together, Kel's scheme appears to be the absolute long shot. He tries to teach Vin to smile and occasionally look on the bright side of things. Fortnite dropped the official announcement early Friday. The Skaa still would have rebelled, Vin still wouldve gone after TLR, and they still wouldve won. Shes also written one novel and is working on several more. HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. Despite her supposed betrayal, Kelsier never stopped loving her. Might as well use that talent for the cause of good eh? Waxillium (Wax) Ladrian(fka Asinthew): One of our two primary characters. And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, so is it possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike? If you enjoy queer protagonists, snarky humor, and dont mind some salty language, check out book 1. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, she was shot several times but retained a metalmind and escaped. [43][77] Merely interacting with Hoid for a brief amount of time was enough to send Kelsier into a murderous rage. One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. The Southern Scadrians have also used the metal in primer cubes which can somehow regulate ettmetals effects with the flip of a switch. Kelsier (aka The Survivor): Kelsier was the leader of the group of thieves who went after the Lord Ruler in the original trilogy, and was the person who recruited Vin. When Lord Tresting attempted to rape a skaa girl, Kelsier saved her, killing Tresting and all his servants and soldiers in the process. Additionally, spiking him at his death would have left the spike behind in his corpse, providing no benefits. I wonder if there's a way to make hemalurgy permanent. Yeah sorry I meant the head of the spear. Sure, it makes it interesting and thought provoking, but I never said it wasn't. For one of them, Kelsier's crew planned to steal the Lord Ruler's atium cache, which they believed lay hidden in Kredik Shaw. The Well of Ascension: The impossible task has been accomplished. Kelsier has also been keeping himself busy by interfering with Roshar (the world in which The Stormlight Archive is set). [12] He always smiles and projects an excited and positive attitude, which is particularly unusual in the skaa underground. If were talking about Kelsier getting spiked though, I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. He infiltrated the Steel Inquisitors, and is one of the few remaining characters from the original trilogy who is alive. He also appears to be the only remaining Mistborn thanks to Hemalurgy. After speaking with Vin and Elend briefly upon their deaths, he discovers from Sazed that there is a way for him to go back to life. As such, I wont be delving into every plot and character nuanceonly the ones which are likely to be relevant toThe Lost Metal. He also searched far and wide for possible ways to defeat the Lord Ruler, and managed to find an ingot of the fabled Eleventh Metal (he claimed he had found it in the west, which is considered to be a lie. The mists curled around him, blending into the tassels of his mistcloak. Its central tenet is simply to survive, by any means, until you cannot survive any longer. After Sazeds Ascension and Spooks rise to political power, Kelsier began to speak with Spook about finding a way to bring himself back to the Physical Realm. Theres always another secret, but well have answers to some as of November 15th! So i just finished Mistborn: Secret History and in the Postscribtum Brandon mentions that he as a very clear idea what Kelsier is doing and will be dropping hints again. Personally I don't think that Ruin had left a mark. Harmony(fka Sazed): Harmony holds the shards of Ruin AND Preservation, and as such is (one of the) god(s) of Scadrial. 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He met with Yeden the leader of the skaa rebellion and made Yeden hire him to bring down the Final Empire. Kelsier is also highly impulsive, on one occasion attempting to attack an entire army single-handed. From what I do understand, I don't see why it is relevant, and generally, when something is irrelevant it is wrong simply because it is simply adding more complexity to the books (I think we all know the Cosmere has plenty), and is pointless. Later on, we follow Kelsier having a conversation with Sazed on the events that had happened, the lack of Metalborn, and Sazed's inability to act. [63] The Ghostbloods believe Kelsier to still have his Allomantic abilities,[64] and he appears to be playing into this lie.[32]. The Misborn series comes recommended by Eurogamer friend Johnny Chiodini, who describes Fortnite's latest addition thus: "Kelsier is a thief, but he's also a mistborn - a person who can consume. He has an imposing presence and is a natural leader, easily taking charge and swaying even the downtrodden skaa of Luthadel into joining the rebellion with his charming personality. Here they are. Kelsier killed eight Hazekillers, stole a bag of atium, and made sure that it became known that a Mistborn had attacked a Great House, something forbidden by an unspoken agreement between the houses. Without a Physical aspect, his powers failed. Kelsier's martyrdom and seeming resurrection spawns a new religion, the Church of the Survivor, which venerates Kelsier's teachings. Kelsier is described to be a middle-aged man with hawkish features and light blonde hair. Please note that there are also some spoilers in here for The Stormlight Archive. But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor. The issue with a spear is if the metal head is all the way out of the body, and only the wooden haft is actually touching. With his newly awakened Mistborn powers, Kelsier killed the guards and escaped the Pits of Hathsin, murdering all the nobility and skaa who had chosen to become guards he encountered in his vicinity. As the Sovereign, Kelsier ruled the Southern Scadrians for a time and formed another religion that deified Metalborn, and then he left. Some of the Survivor's less pleasant traits include his ruthlessness and prejudice. [42] Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the Well allowed him to become a Cognitive Shadow and resist the pull of the Beyond. Be. Gave Entrone: An amateur archeologist who insulted Steris at a party. And for all of you who feel the theory doesnt have a point, you can just stop posting. I am hope. [30] He is quite proficient at pewter dragging and has enough practice to maintain it for hours and still maintain a fair amount of clarity afterwards. Kelsier and Dockson went to see her first hand; they watched Vin Soothe an obligator during Camon's scheme, confirming that she was at least a Soother. And vapor in the air, confined to night. He accomplished a lot, and died facing down the Lord Ruler himself. Donald Mustard, de facto head of Fortnite, is real life friends with Brandon Sanderson, and approached him about getting characters from his books into the game. All Im saying is that theres no way to definitively know whether or not the metal heads were still inside him. . Honestly, I am kinda confused as to what this theory is trying to say, and how it is relevant to current and future cosmere. Honestly, you should have seen it coming. He spun around on the rooftop, then suddenly he was there. Kelsier is known by many titles, the origins of which vary. Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. Paalm (deceased): Another kandra, one who posed as Waxs wife Lessie for a time in order to groom him for Harmonys purposes. You can use this to quickly reference who the various players are, in case youve forgotten. Mistborn (Series) Personality Type: ENTP - 8w7 - so/sx - 873 - EIE - SCOEI - Sanguine-Choleric - EF (N) One of the most legendary men known to the Skaa. [25], Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. I am not trying to shut this theory down as you would say, I am trying to understand the theory, because as you said, I want to discuss it,and your post telling people who dont understand what you are saying because you are so unclear are even more uneccesary, aggressive, and frankly very rude. Other 3D models from the same designer Janseloth All , He and Hoid have a very antagonistic relationship one with one another, stretching back to when they first met and got into a violent fight. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm. , Kelsier is terrified by Ati and the power that he holds, seeing and feeling it through the Well of Ascension.[74]. On Kelsier's way back to Luthadel, he made a stop at the farm of Lord Themos Tresting to talk with the farm skaa. Kelsier is one of the titular characters of the first Mistborn novel, leading a crew of ruffians and thieves on a mission to assassinate The Lord Ruler, and end his tyranny over the lands of Scadrial. The Lord Ruler has been vanquished. HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. It reacts explosively to water. He is presumably the founding member of the Ghostbloods, a secret society investigating the Cosmere and ways to travel between all the different worlds. But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. [67] Harmony also made vague allusions to the Southern Scadrians that Kelsier once ruled as the Sovereign. "[3] He is referred to by Hoid as "the Lord of Scars. He also ran into Vin and was shocked to see how far she had come in the time he was away. His late wife Mare collected pre-Ascension memorabilia, and he keeps one piece, a drawing of a flower,[7] to inspire his crew. Wax, Wayne, and Marasi work together to take down Miles Hundredlives, a compound bloodmaker who has been kidnapping women and stealing aluminum for a shadowy organization called The Set. At the end of the book, the kidnapped women are still missing, Miles is executed, and Wax discovers that his uncle Edwarn, whod been presumed dead, is actually alive and a member of the Set. He also knew at that point he'd been too much of a problem for the Lord Ruler. , After discovering the Eleventh Metal Kelsier started to prepare his plan by hiring the Kandra OreSeur. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. Or does Sanderson have yet more secrets to reveal? At the end of TheBands of Mourning, we learn that aside from the Survivorists, there is also a whole civilization of people far to the south of Elendel that worships Kelsier, calling him the Sovereign. Though, in my opinion, I dunno if Ruin would try to forcethe Lord Ruler to kill Kelsier. lets delve into that a little more deeply, shall we? Kelsier had lots of plans and backup plans. In the following months, Kelsier himself took on many roles to further the plan, acting as a beacon to the repressed skaa, assisting in recruitment,[30] attacking many noblemen to increase the tensions between the Great Houses,[16], collecting information by purchasing it from informants, and even posing as an informant in order to provide misinformation to noblemen. Having escaped death only by becoming a Mistborn . I dont mean to sound aggravated or anything. If it did, when Inquisitors are made, the spike would have killed them before it gained a Hemalurgic charge. As long as it provides something to think about and consider, it is worth posting. While difficult, it is possible to obtain atium and lerasium from ettmetal, but not through mechanical means. Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. Its relevant to the past in the cosmere. Gemmel is Kelsier's mentor in the allomantic arts, meeting each other after Kelsier escaped from his captivity in Hathsin. He introduced them and Vin to Yeden and explained his plan to destroy the Final Empire and kill the Lord Ruler. (Otherwise, Inquisitors would be very very dead). And you kind of responded with a lot of hate there. [24] After his death, OreSeur takes his bones and appears before several groups of skaa, making them believe that Kelsier survived somehow. We do it because we want to. That said though, Im also kind of confused at what Ruin would be trying to accomplish even if TLR HAD been spiked. Steris Harms Ladrian: Waxs wife and Marasis half-sister. After Elendel was saved, Kelsier talked with Harmony, asking him to lead Scadrial into a new technological and Metalborn age so they may be better prepared for future threats and Autonomy's return.[22]. Thus Kelsier's mother was killed, and because of this, the brothers have a deep hatred of noblemen. However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. And the book clearly had the rebels shove 2 spears right through his body. Maybe Im just not saying it in a way that can be understood. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. The Lord Ruler served as the target of Kel's final escapade, a superb thief and natural leader. I worried about doing this, actually, since it seemed a little too expected. [79], This page or section contains spoilersfor, This page or section needs to be updated with new informationfor, Kelsier to the Lord Ruler, last words before death, This article is still missing information. While initially hostile, in the end Kelsier's brother Marsh joined, and together the crew developed a plan to defeat the Final Empire. At some point after his revival, he also became a prominent figure on Roshar known as Thaidakar, though he is still physically stuck on Scadrial.[1]. Mistborn Era 2 takes place 341 years after the events in the original trilogy, but theres another little story that we hope youve also read that takes place between themMistborn: Secret History. I represent that one thing you've never been able to kill, no matter how hard you try. Sixteen months later, when Kelsier was unable to get his weekly atium geode, Mare gave Kelsier hers, claiming that she had found two that week. Once he is freed from the Well along with Ruin, he initially travels around through the Cognitive version of Luthadel, seeking out his friends. But were talking about the Lord Ruler, and he was standing up the whole time. With the garrison gone and the nobility weakened by the war, the rest of the army then could take over Luthadel. ifKelsier was spiked? We left off in TheBands of Mourning with Steris and Wax eloping. It is assumed that, based on his experience as a Misting crew leader that staged increasingly daring heists, he had broken into the Ministry building of Urteau and discovered the secret in the storage cache). Khriss mentions the Ire which sets Kelsier onto his next quest of finding their base of operation. Kelsier later gave this drawing to Vin. He was the leader. They called you their god, and you were casual with their faith! Its relevant to the past in the cosmere. [22][23] Perhaps as a result of his egotism and arrogance, several of his plans involve setting himself up as a powerful, mysterious, or even divine figure. When Marsh caught Vin in Luthadel, he attacked Ruin with Preservation's power, weakening Ruin's control over Marsh just enough for Marsh to rip out Vin's earring. This one is gonna be a RAFO for what his true plan is and if there is influence somewhere. He then "Snapped", becoming a Mistborn. After Camon and Vin left, Kelsier realized that the ministry had already discovered that Camon was a thief and only played along to find the crew's hideout. [20] He is arrogant and very driven which, combined with his power, makes him incredibly dangerous;[21] he is willing to go extremely far to achieve his goalsfor example, he would be willing to use Hemalurgy on a large scale to create powerful Allomancers if ultimately necessary to protect Scadrial from other forces in the cosmerethough is not quite as utilitarian as Taravangian. I doubt that its a spike however simply for the reason of what attribute would theyspike into Kelsier. What are you saying? The spirit of Kelsier often appears in Spook's hallucinations, granting him the power to burn pewter and guiding him through difficult situations. Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the. This is why I love Brandon. Ettmetal, also known as harmonium, is the condensed elemental form of Harmonys power. [3] He appears to be using the Ghostbloods to find a way for him to leave Scadrial and is very interested in learning from the Heralds, particularly Kalak, as they are subject to a similar restriction. They go on several outings together, including fighting Inquisitors this leads to Vin almost dying however and changes how Kelsier runs the crew. [8] He also hates how much Kelsier goes against his Intent, bringing about massive societal change in how he brought about the death of the Lord Ruler, and played into Ruin's plans. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial. Ive done my best to include things that I think youll need to know going into the next book. Vin expected that Kelsier would use his knowledge to control her, but to her surprise, he openly explained her the eight basic metals. He burned down the manor and purposely departed in a way that forced the skaa to join the rebellion. MeLaan: A kandra who has been around from about the time of the Catacendre. When he reaches their base, he moved past their guards and passed the wall into their chambers. He eventually plays an important role in freeing her from Ruins influence. This page was last edited on 27 January 2023, at 22:51. He offered to teach her about gold and atium, gave her the money he took from Camon, and allowed her to leave, as he didn't want to force anybody into his crew. Whats the point? After removing her second spike and adding one of Trellium, she went mad and began working with the Set, and was defeated. . People tell me I can be downright frustrating! [38] Outside the city, they saw a Mistwraith. Mister Suit had been captured and possibly killed, but Lady Sequence (Telsin) had escaped, and there are rumblings of more devious plots afoot something to do with the kandra who are working for the Set, and Trell. [22], Kelsier has an unknown Seon which he uses to commmunicate with his Ghostbloods on Scadrial. She agrees to join the crew in exchange for Kelsier's training. If you dont like this theory, move on. Kelsier also convinces Breeze, Ham and Clubs to join the conspiracy by offering a share of the Lord Ruler's stash of valuable atium as loot. Now lets talk a bit more in depth about Kelsier, and what hes been up to. As of the end of TheBands of Mourning, she is in a casual relationship with Wayne. However, Kelsier is then confronted by the Lord Ruler, who backhands him across the face and then stabs him in the chest with a spear, killing him. Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. As you can see, Kelsiers been a busy, busy boy. First off, I don't mean to come off as hostile, but I am genuinely confused as to what this theory is saying. Of course, it was nothing compared to The Hero of the Ages. Dockson once again became Kelsier's organizer and right hand man. Id make a world where owers returned, a world with green plants, a world where no soot fell from the sky. Kelsier was central to it all. Does anybody find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is? When he arrived in Luthadel, he first reunited with his old partner and best friend Dockson. The skaa react to Kelsier's death by rising up and overthrowing the city with the help of Kelsier's army. Kelsier was then trained by a Mistborn named Gemmel[37] and they traveled to the far north of the Western Dominance to a city called Mantiz where Kelsier fought and killed the Mistborn Antillius Shezler. However, this apparition of Kelsier is eventually revealed to be Ruin in disguise. Proceed with caution if you have not read this book. TenSoon learned the location of his bones from OreSeur, and used them to convince the people of Luthadel to hide in the caverns after King Penrod was corrupted by Ruin.[41]. He was unable to do so and leaves the bit of metal for Vin, asking her in a note to figure it out. After the fall of the Lord Ruler, Marsh eventually came under control of Ruin, as Ruin used the Hemalurgic nature of the Inquisitors to control them. He takes up the Shard of Preservation following Leras' death and sends a round-about message to Marsh in the hope that his brother will remove Vin's earring. Kelsier knocked out Camon with Steelpushes and gave control over the crew to Milev. Now there is also the question of why your comment was warranted. [70], Soon afterwards, Wax accessed a coppermind contained in a coin-like Southern Scadrian medallion that Hoid had given him and saw a vision of what appeared to be Kelsier's memory of discovering the Southern Scadrians hundreds of years prior. The genius. Worship. While conversing with Harmony regarding the case, Harmony said that Wax's casual way of talking to him reminded him of Kelsier. All I want is for somebody to clarify what your theory actually is. Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. Kelsier considers guns to be inelegant weapons. Itd be interesting if he actually HAD been spiked by the spears. As a Cognitive Shadow tied to Scadrial, it is difficult for him to travel to other planets via Shadesmar. I am not yours. See the original version. Kelsier's legacy continues to influence people all across the five dominances. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor . That is like arguing with air. Protecting you.Giving you power!, When Leras died and Ruin began to Splinter the Shard of Preservation, Kelsier used the Ire's orb to Connect with Preservation and Ascend, allowing him to protect the power and hold it until Vin could take it. He forced the rest of the crew to leave, only leaving Vin. In the event of his death, Kelsier ordered his kandra, OreSeur, to ingest his remains, masquerading as a resurrected holy figure. Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. I do think that an interesting (and relevant)question that is brought up by this theory though is whether or not it is possible to spike a person without killing them. A women by the codename of Codenames Are Stupid, opens communication with the leader of the Ghostbloods by the means of a seon, which shows Kelsier on an airship travelling to Elendel. 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