. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. "Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald": Julie Roys' Response February 12, 2019 Cherie Vandermillen [Julie Roys] I never thought I would hear an evangelical, mega-church pastor talk about planting child pornography on the computer of an executive at a Christian publication. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. So walk us through the drama of that weekend, James McDonald trying to save his job. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? Otherwise just say what you really mean in your question: Im better than you because I would never support All my legal fees got paid. I hope you have a great day and God bless. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. Still. And Dan said it was just so unnerving. Okay thats what Gods word says. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. And I have, you know, probably probably six weeks later, less than, probably four weeks later or something I I apologized for signing that. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. Charles, Tell me about that meeting and what he did. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. And everybody had to say, right? The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? I wish Id never done it. I certainly am no Bible scholar. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldnt be forwarded. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. . What what were you thinking? From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. Come out of her, my people. And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. Just saying a lot of vile things. Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. Its so interesting. And why do you do it in front of everybody? Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. Jared Prayed for you just now. I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. I remember waking up that morning. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. You can imagine it wasnt it wasnt long before the elders were, you know, talking and I dont remember the timing exactly. You dont know how I got ahold of them. And they were praying in earnest this entire time. I wish I didnt. Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. Sin has real consequences and sometimes those consequences are permanent. How do spot a safe pastorand can. Wives submit to your husbands. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. And it became so obvious to be like that that was what it was. How much do you make? But according. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. Pastor Platforming James MacDonald Says Strong Women with Weak Husbands Become 'Toxic' By Julie Roys December 22, 2022 5:39 pm CST 26 Comments Pastor Ryan Visconti of Generation Church in Mesa, Arizona, is attracting attention for his partnership with James MacDonald and provocative social media posts. Had they reached all the elders at this point? If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. . And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. But again, you push that issue, you got those letters. But as, as these excerpts of James speaking as, as James did, to so many people knew that, that this was the way he really, really spoke and who he really was. Longtime leader of the Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel James MacDonald has been ousted as senior pastor in light of unsavory remarks he made on a hot mic that were aired on local media Tuesday. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. Thankfully, I had headphones on. She declined. Yeah. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. But it was dark. After you guys. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. Hi. . Bank Dismisses Foreclosure on James MacDonald's Estate After Settlement with Harvest. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. It was so much easier to read and understand. So then James McDonald flies in, right? This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. Yeah, yeah. Harvest Insider Tells What Really Happened with James MacDonald. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. Yes, it is. June 17, 2021 James MacDonald, the former megachurch pastor who's been embroiled in scandal and controversy for several years, is lashing out against independent journalist Julie Roys. It wasnt an easy thing to do. Right? So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. Thank you. That would be acceptable teaching. Following allegations of years-long bullying and financial misconduct, the lead pastor and executive team of an Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch, Everyone was laughing and goading, like it was a jokeuntil it wasnt. . So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. So I appreciate it. On that Haiti trip. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. Like wow! Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. To myself, I said, and do our job. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. I know its your hope too, Dan, and I just want to thank you. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. To donate, Lead Pastor and Exec Team of ARC Megachurch Resign Amid Allegations of Bullying and Financial Misconduct, EXCLUSIVE: Dozens Say ARC Megachurch Pastor Bullied and Shamed Staff, Volunteers, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. And I was still on the board. That was positioned as an attack from the start. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. And most of them, a number of them, Ill say, have not read any of these letters. Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. And so she sent me a letter before it went to the elder board. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. I did not. May 19, 2021 10:53 am To some former Harvest Bible Chapel insiders, Rick Donald was not just James MacDonald's right-hand man; he was also his "hatchet man" or "smiling assassin." Load more Its come to this. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. It was the elders failure. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. Julie, thank you for your excellent work in exposing that which is done in darkness, among the body of Christ. And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, thats what were just gonna talk about the process. And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. . (Proverbs 27:12). No, it wasnt edited. 28 Feb 2023 13:40:27 And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. Ive already told you there was consensus from board. Good to be here. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! The Roys Report is a Christian media outlet, reporting the unvarnished truth about what's happening in the Christian community so the church can be reformed and restored. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Great! And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. So lets move on to these letters. I had been investigating Harvest for months. His support of Kari Lake shows that he supports her lies. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. 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Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Divorce is a civil remedy that is necessary when there is abuse, physical, emotional, financial, or even when people are incompatible. And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. We dont know what it would look like tomorrow. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. How come church leaders and male congregants are always beating up the women with this particular Scripture but no one ever (to my knowledge) addresses the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church? And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. I think of a few things Julie. And when I read that, I just shook my head. There were voices raised. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. Jennifer That this wasnt just James failure. And this was a spiritual battle. What does the bible say about that? Gary, God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. *, In an email to TRR, Gregoire claimed that Viscontis view about women does not match the research. . In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. 2011 NIV. How about that one? I pray for the man. On February 13, the elders announced James MacDonald had been fired . TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. About this great content say, have not and still waiting for James, wasnt it their full when. Is done in darkness, among the body of Christ to light at Harvest I wrote said. 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