He went on to training pilots via simulators. N My wife bought me some flight lessons for my birthday. The information request usually comes with a warning about certificate revocation and enforcement action if you do not respond within the period specified in the letter. On the other hand, when I started flying and had to take a 3rd class medical, the AMI was a personal friend and knew of my hearing problems, therefore suggested we do the hearing test with an audiometer in the evening when there was less noise and confusion in the office. I manage my health daily so as to not have to place them in a position to yank my ticket or otherwise cause me not to self certify. Im depressed, so their answer is to tell me I cant do anything to fix my problem whilst simultaneously denying me something that significantly helps with my depression: Flying? Congress should forbid the FAA from requiring any medical for recreational flying. 6 months and 2 weeks earlier I had one done for a Peace Corps application and sent that in, which would have been good for 2 years. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. They didnt even send him a letter informing him about his conduct. And, apparently, if and applicant for a first medical certificate with student certificate has had epilepsy, he/she can be deferred even if seizure-free for more than 10 years. How long is a 2nd class medical good for over 40? He was the author of numerous books, including. Even if you can disprove a legitimate history or diagnosis of ADHD (discussed further below), use of a disqualifying medication within 90 days of application will usually lead to a denial. - I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. It only came after I got out of the loop and had the hospital send the info straight to OK. You know how we all type up our medical records now, at least they think so. If you have not needed counselling for a year or more (maybe less) and are not taking an antidepressant, get a note from your counsellor and take it with you to the appoint with the AME. Please remember, he has a liability also. When a government becomes oppressive, intransigent, and unreasonable, allowing no recourse beyond its edicts, eventually people react. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. However, the overriding principle here is that if you intentionally falsify your medical and are discovered, then you are done permanently. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. Can you say, Martha Stewart?, I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent.. If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. Investigating complaints from citizens and co-workers. If youre over 40 and your first-class medical is not renewed within six calendar months, itll revert to the privileges of a second-class medical for an additional six months. Furthermore, any standard of medical concern for pilots is lost because it allows the FAA to turn a blind eye to a medical condition. If you cant pass the physical you need to find another way to fly. I agreemost pilots at least fail to mention things. His point is that no one requires commercial Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. I guess it was a bit negligent on my part to get so far into before getting the medical. I go to sleep. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. Age is only a number. Anonomous, FAA sets up high-level alerts for missed airline inspections, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. In reality, all pilots (no matter what their license) self-certify their fitness to fly every time they fly. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. waiting for them. In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. It was a more difficult process than if I had done it 20 years prior. We should not be subjected to this inquisitional questionnaire in the first place. Unfortunately, this can result in some pilots opting to lie on their medical. If you ever need to submit medical records to the FAA, they will review everything you give them. They are issued by states. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. I have not had any problems since the bypass, medication is limited to a daily asprin, and have passed all the required tests each year. Like driving big trucks and boats have no such pseudo-medical crap. 3. The simple fact is that the FAA generally trusts pilots. My first experience with an AMI was when I applied for a job with the government and was required to take a physical exam. I hadnt had any issues or symptoms for over 10 yrs., doctors Id seen always pronounced me fit & healthy. R: Sleep Apnea. The information provided on this website is not intended to be a replacement or substitute for professional medical advice. Its just not opening an unnecessary can of worms. I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. Many pilots have waited months or years for their medical certificates because each new record they provide to justify their medical certificate eligibility reveals another ailment they did not disclose before. Of course they do. Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. Some of the disqualifying conditions are definitely going to keep someone from getting a medical certificate, but these are illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Duration of Medical Certificate Pilots who are age 40 and older will still renew a third class medical every 24 months. However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. Those marathons at age 26 paid off. I do not lie on my medical, but would love to be able to fly a 172 using a drivers licence in lieu of a class III medical. then are able to re-apply. He never lied. I cheeted on a eye test flowen with out a incedent. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? Requesting Medical Records. I suggest that every pilot take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. By now most of you know there are way too many federal employees standing around over paid and coming up with way too many regulations to try and justify their job. The flight surgeon is not my friend. Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. At 60 years of age you do not want to become an airline pilot you just want to be able to go up fly around and come back again. I WAS A BIRD DOG PILOT IN VIETNAM FOR 3+ YEARS WHEN I WAS SENT TO THE DECK BY SMALL ARMS FIRE. Your AME will review your MedXPress application in detail and conduct a physical exam. I aeree. I see a lack of evidence that this saves lives. On a related note, has anyone used an aeromedical service company to help obtain/renew a medical certificate? G E King, It came to a point that he was landing one night at a major airport, and on descent he realized that he couldnt see the runway. Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. I have informed my regular doctor to please clear with me anything they might write in my record, as it could affect my FAA medical. Are you serious? One just hopes that the untruths are regarding minor medical issues they feel will disqualify them that wont compromise their safety as well as all others around them. Oh yeah did I mention that I live in an isolated community and that the next mediocre doc is a good four hour drive away? If they say that you have a condition that requires you to be grounded, then fill out an 8500-8 medical form. Flying is no more dangerous than driving when properly trained. to get it straightened out. I am hoping that they do the right thing when it comes to my health assessment. If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. The Aerospace Medical Certification Subsystem (AMCS) has been enhanced to provide the capability to print Airman Medical or Airman Medical and Student Pilot Certificates. Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. And yet still I do not feel I can speak freely to them. There is something very wrong with a system when every one of its users hates it. Your signature at the bottom authorizes the FAA to search the National Drivers Registry for violations involving alcohol or illegal drugs, for instance, so you may want to think twice about trying to conceal a drunk driving conviction. He did not disclose any of his medical issues to the AME, and passed his medical in 2011. Does A Surgical Mask Help Avoid COVID-19? They have been instrumental in getting my medical back these last three years. Additionally, the one who was honest is punished. Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? No further action by AWP-300. or special licenses for either of those vehicles if they are used recreationally (with the exception of a written test for air brake endorsement, if so equipped). Dental visits and visits to your AME need not be listed. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. The Great Debate: do pilots lie on medicals? Yes the present medical sytem sucks but, its all we have until better management goes to Washington. The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. In the latest installment of The Great Debate, Richard Collins asks you to weigh in on whether pilots are truthful when they visit the AME. Risk is a price of freedom. Just like the annual inspection on the aircraft, when it was signed off everything was supposed to be airworthy, what happens after that is anyones guess. I told the truth (that I had a very early-stage, very treatable cancer) and had my medical yanked. Skydiving. The questionaire is so impossible to answer honestly because it uses the word ever. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! Now you tell me how sad it is when an idiot declares you have daltonism and denies you the ability to fly, so ruining your dream forever. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. No, I have never lied on the medical application because I understood the ramifications in the event of an accident. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. Indeed, in 2000 the Aeromedical Certification Division granted twice as many 'special issuance' certificates to pilots who had a significant medical condition, like coronary heart disease, a valve implant, a pacemaker, or alcoholism, as it did 10 years earlier. Me- private pilot ASEL, Airplane Instrument, flying since 1986. Hell no. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. We only use the They are really convincing and will definitely work. And, actually, the FAA is making Special Issuance less of a problem for certain diseases. It was less rigorous than a regular over 40 physical, so I took one of those too. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. I have to weigh in on this issue. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. People Lie to do what they love to do. Is Medical Coding The Same As Medical Transcription? What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. The FAA processes close to 400,000 flight physicals every year. Both have risks. I Fly America This is left bundle branch block which is a stop as far as the CAA is concerned. This is done by directly contacting you the pilot. Thus the FAAs excessive emphasis, on the potential hazards of medical conditions and medications, serves only to reinforce its own bureaucratic authority. My first flightdoctor told me he was very happy about having pilots as clients. Anyone could take the drug and get behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler, a Cat D-11, a speedboat, you get the idea. The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. They ask about frequent or severe yet dont define how frequent is frequent or how severe is severe. FAA gets told one version of the story. I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. Dont take it personally, those are just the facts on the ground. I can meet Class 1 if I fib. As a pilot for over 13 years and now an AME as of this month, I understand your concern. So why disclose it here on an open forum? One may invoke Fifth Amendment rights, but not outright lie. My ex lied and never mentioned it. What Are the Chances of and Penalties for Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? In addition to providing your name, address, recent doctor appointments and hospitalizations, and details about your medical history, you will also need to acknowledge several warnings. FAA Disqualifying Conditions: Bipolar Disorder. Otherwise I tend to be so healthy that I simply wouldnt ever go to the doctor. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. While a diabetic can develop hypoglycemic coma, a cardiac patient faint from an arrhythmia, or a patient become mentally impaired from an excessive dose of a medication, the real world evidence does not support that such incidences are common enough to recommend banning driving by those with such medical conditions. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. My admitting to counselling halted my medical. Unfortunately, nuts-deep in lighting nowwhoo.. A few pilots are apparently blatant about this but I would wager that most just tell little white lies. If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. If you don't disclose it the likelihood that they find out about it are pretty slim, though. Until recently, a new pilot who had prostate cancer 10 years ago and has no evidence of recurrence had to jump through a bunch of hoops, and might have required special issuance. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. Those that are honest will remain so, and those who arent never will be honest. It's better to try to resolve a condition first than to risk having your application rejected or delayed for months by the FAA. I know a pilot who lost enough weight for his sleep apnea to disappear. Accident investigators at every crash look for signs of incapacitation and collect items such as medication containers to try to determine if a medical reason caused the crash. 'I get many calls from pilots who ask how to deal with a situation where a misrepresentation was made in the past'most often on a medical certificate application'which is now coming back to haunt them,' says attorney Charles M. Finkel. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Ignorance is, therefore, no excuse for not disclosing one of the following conditions: Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. How does the FAA find out what medications you are on? No problem there both were on the approved list (most are). The additional costs associated with FAA medicals will reduce flying time for many of us there goes the proficiencey issue again. I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. Now compare the above tabulation with: GA total deaths 400 I am working with a private party who specializes in this sort of thing and he cant really give me definitive answers either; just educated opinion and guidance. RE: Wiley Post. I do not expect it to change in my life time. I am unconscious every night. Im also struggling with depression. Gradually, our freedoms are being taken away by government regulatory entities. Sometimes I think its not necessary for ATC people to have medicals. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. Good Luck. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? Because they can longer fly. May just you please lengthen them a little from next time? Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. It is probably one of the most important benefits they offer their members. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. Ultimately, if you have a condition that you know will result in denial, become a sport pilot. If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. I fly for a living. On the subject of medical self certification, read the announcement by the AOPA and the EAA. The only way around this is to pay for all of your medical care yourself and not use insurance. But then how would all the AMEs and some people in the FAA make a living??? no? Many of the requirements for special issuance for example are redundant and simply bureaucratic paper chases. Never happens! If your application passes AMCDs scrutiny, the certificate your AME issued will remain valid for a period of time determined by your age and the type of certificate you applied for. If it is not recurrent, you should be able to demonstrate with help from your private treating physician that the problem no longer exists. Not all applicants with OSA are required to have that test. My father had passed his class 2 physical 3 weeks before having a massive heart attack and dieing at the ripe old age of 50. Irs Data Book, 2020. chances of getting caught lying on faa medical one of the medications used treat! Really? Have tried the polite calling routine, found they will lie to you, one time the lady told me my SI was approved & mailed 2 days prior, when I finally got it 3 weeks later the post mark date proved they had lied. I live in the UK and the medical over here for a pilot licence, they dont do an EEG. We report, you decipher. I did years later and got totally cleared. Brian, you are right on about AMEs being able to grease the wheels for pilots with the FAA medical people. Im not sure what I think about all this but Ill tell you my story. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Because the measures necessary to achieve it would make life intolerable dull and stifling. As John and Dickie do point out, there are rules and hence bureaucracy in place to protect the masses. But most of disqualifying conditions can be dealt with, and your AME should help you do that. Next, instead of the Class 3 Medical Certificate being good for 5 years until age 40 when it decreases to 2 years, make the decrease more gradual. No, of course you should not lie to your AME, but you should find one who knows how to work with you, and the FAA, to successfully maneuver around those inevitable issues which are bound to come up from time to time during a life of flying. You can mail or fax your request for aircraft records or Request Copies of Aircraft Records online. The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. In-case if you ever get into an accident the FAA/NTSB will look through all your medical history and do a thorough check on that pilot meaning they want to look at every doctor visit and all medications you have been on. All medical certificates are valid for 60 months, unless youre 40 or older the day you get it (then its 24 months). There is a good chance you can hide some minor medical problems or even some major ones that you recovered from years ago. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. People are who they are. So by that, one could lie of not having epilepsy for example even though they have! Legally, it does have to be the original. Im not a Senior AME, Ive only been one for a year. Case in point: A student pilot I was familiar with crashed his aircraft into the runway and killed himself after being arrested for drunk-driving the previous night. It revealed an abnormality. I then had to take an echo, which revealed I was even healthier than I thought! It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. I've known guys who've cheated the system but have never heard of anyone in or close to my circle of pilot frinds who've had any aeromedical violation investigations. Gordon, My question is what are they doing in order to get caught. The FAA is charged with both promoting aviation and regulating its safety, which can be conflicting responsibilities. @Brian B. The absurdity is having a major federal bureaucracy policing this incredibly low number of deaths. At least my livelihood doesnt depend on it. If you didnt say yes then you lied. Who would you send them to? Regardless of whether they lie or not, the system seems to be working there seem to be very few (if any) crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation that they FAA/NTSB can point to a problem that should have come in a medical. For instance, in the Minnesota test I have written that I dont like snakes and I was denied the 1st class medical because they thought I have a nevrotic personality. Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. The big question is whether it matters. Comparatively, what I take is barely more than a prescription grade Imodium AD. 45,000 Northern California pilots with current medical certificates Wow - are there really 45,000 pilots with current medicals in just Northern California? For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. Any deviation from general standards of health found would/should require a more intense examination/(s.). They defer anyone with a deferrable problem rather than have the pilot provide the necessary data from the treating physician(s) before submitting the 8500-8. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue The most recent was a year and a half ago. In short, the FAA doesnt check medical records unless they have a reason to i.e. Always wondered if the stress from taking the medical had anything to do with it. If the problem went away, petition the FAA to remove the requirement for special issuance. If you ever lose it you can simply request a new one. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. The FAA makes it clear what counts as a disqualifying condition. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. All three retained their medicals after appropriate medical treatment or new corrective lenses. The information contained herein is meant for informational purposes only. Its about cooperating with your doc so you can keep doing what you love. Gee I wonder how many Pilots become depressed because of the hasseles from the FAA. I was not asked or tested for alertness. Then we really would have a pilot shortage, now wouldnt we. Im old, crazy and hard of hearing bit like most experienced pilots I suppose. This is very disturbing to say the least, why bother imposing rules, laws or the like if there is no punishment implemented??? I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. They generally do not spend a significant amount of time reviewing each one. 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