In response to that question: Was Hybels leading folks to Christ or to Hybels? Because his REAL Personal LORD and Savior (PASTOR Hybels) is getting Blasphemed. It works but is it the faith? Wouldnt a practice of permanently deleting emails create potential legal liability for the person and the institution? Well said, Betty! Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . My wife worked for a Fortune 500 and did grad work in the hard sciences, she taught for a Pac12 university, I have taught law in higher ed for 15 years. He is politically liberal, decrying sexism, racism, and the fear of people who are different, and is a vocal critic of Donald Trump. Please take a look at the situation in 1 Coninthians 5. My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Shauna Niequist has apologised for failing to speak up after her father, Bill Hybels, was accused of sexual misconduct. Im thinking of 2 comments right now from over a year ago in which you reposted comments you attempted to post elsewhere. And to think that Willow Creek notables have been hanging out with him! This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. WTF? He is loving and gracious and is you biggest fan! No one walks away unascathed. Should I be worried? Throughout this scorching page-turner, Roy is charming and has a The elders at Willow Creek Community Church tonight sent an email to congregants, stating that the church is "heartbroken" over the "abuse" of a congregant. Willow is no exception. Simul justus et peccator. (Spell check keeps changing it to percolator!). You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. But Hybels and Willow Creek kept moving forward. I could be misconstruing everything & he may just be being over-sympathetic to me as a now single woman, trying to be nice, trying to be helpful (which he is to everyone). I mentioned how I recently read of a church where the IT had a deal with pastor to delete specifically his e-mails I laugh and say fat chance I can get him to do that for me! Bill Hybels stepped down. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? My professional organization will not do that In fact, we are specifically instructed how to do email when legally sensitive information is invloved. And what is important here is that authoritarian control, often gained through emotional, spiritual and or sexual abuse is frequently used to establish control and enable institutions to achieve whatever it is their true agendas are. If what he related is true (and I doubt it) there were bold ways to handle that to ensure a big message was sent and would have served EVERYONE better. Or been involved with the thought reform in a social justice Warrior Church. They did, however, write books, and traveled from local church to local church. In the fallout of Hybels's departure over sexual misconduct allegations, the esteemed megachurch lost other top leaders: The church's elders, as well as Steve Carter and Heather Larson, who were. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. They have changed so many lives for the good. However not having a backup to retrieve is a bad idea and deleting email automatically (other than spam) is a bad practice. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. Nothing more. Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Pingback: Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy. I think thats true for some and not others. Or God is discipling yet another church. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. Wow. is lynne hybels still married to bill. Let an outside, independent firm handle the information discretely and fairly. You can trust Jesus and He is your perfect role model. not for this long. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. If nothing else, it is incredibly prideful of a person. I dont care if its what you like to do. My mom was abused sexually. Im probably sensitive about this because Ive seen the this is what you get for being an egalitarian on social media and it drives me nuts. It is sadly, surprisingly easy. Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? Why did I brush aside all of these things as if they did not matter?. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. its definitely legit and very well written. when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days, Indeed, the Lords hand is not too short to save, and His ear is not too deaf to hear. And similarly for the individual when it is a corporation. Maybe thats just how he is. Well, yes, absolutely. He spent a week capturing one of the biggest aurora borealis shows in recent years. And while Hybels coached men to abide by the so-called "Billy Graham rule"never being alone with a women he was not married tohe often broke that rule, according to the Tribune. What Hubris that is. I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions. BTW, when I confronted him publicly, his response wasnt, I didnt do it, but You wanted me to. A married man twice my age, I might add, who nobody liked. Brad Brucker wrote: Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. Thats all the ambien defense is too. I was contemplating a megachurch model the other day where teaching pastors had term limits or rotating speakers. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. The Old Lutheran website has a bunch of shirts and coffee mugs with the word saint on one side and sinner on the others. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Youre not alone Lyds. Do adults really need to know the details of the sleep-overs or the email content before drawing a conclusion? Nancy Ortbergs post is downright damning, IMO. Actually if the pastor or anyone is dealing with confidential matters (e.g., a member of the congregation is having a spiritual crisis or has a kid dying but doesnt want the general congregation to know[think back to the 1980s when many people shunned those with AIDS]) his or her email should be encrypted and his computers hard disk should be encrypted (and any backup encrypted). John & Nancy Ortberg are known to be false teachers, mis-leading the body of Christ teaching unbiblical things such as contemplative prayer which amounts to nothing other than New Age mysticism. @ truthseeker00: The church isnt being destroyed. Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy. It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. Its YOUR money they use. Ok, gotcha. Do not be the disciple with the sword. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! How would it be possible to remain as a staff member and not address the issue? I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. Thats what she thinks is comparable? This is only the tip of the iceberg. You summed up my whole opinion of this mess. Here are some points of summary that I wrote about why this matters: From some of the background reading on this issue, it is clear that digital documents, audio, and video can constitute relevant evidence in any of these legal actions. And jet setting. . 1. Huge. (Keep in mind I was having a hard time mapping that organizational understanding of leadership to servant of the Body of Christ in those days), You dont remember Bill grooming you? There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. Thanks for the link and summary, Barbara this sounds like noteworthy research on specific dynamics! An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? That this has to be explained in The Church is unbelievable. These things were the normal and the personal assistants was more than happy to go along. The Body does not put its faith in humans, even celebrity ones. We experience the aftermath to this day. Good night! How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? You tell your kids That was wrong. The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. Very sad. But it is the structure, really. . I have seen it done for over 40 years now. Anyone questioning the purpose of this blog should realize that when churches and relgious leaders put themselves out there accountabilty comes with that publicity. But here we are! Perhaps God is looking for a different type of leadership in His Church. I know. Jodi Walle, who worked for John Ortberg, has written a note. Read Acts 4 and 5. Some years ago on a dictionary of internet slang, Christian Side Hug was a term for non-genital sex intended to preserve technical virginity. Blank stares all around. Let me give you some good news. This is centralized and IT probably has a means if necessary of reading the email (though it probably requires fairly high level authorization). Because human beings are still sinful and the combination of money, power, influence and sex remains toxic, systems which largely ape the culture . Absalom: Avenge his full-sister Tamar; Blood Feud; Honor Killing of Amnon. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? You described it so well. He could claim she was taking advantage of him (poor man) because she knew that after taking Ambien he might not be possessed of his full faculties for the rest of the night. he did so because there were problems and he knew more would come. Big money, fame, power and influence? That is hard to deal with. : You be the Mugu; I be the Master! But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. It alarmed me to learn that Nancy Ortberg was also the subject of Bill Hybels' unwanted attention and actions. I dont hug random people, but it doesnt bother me, unless it twitches over to creep territory. @ dee: They called people out who were lying, as well as inappropriate practices in the churches.]. At the end of the three-day conference a small group of us joined Bill in his hotel room to celebrate a birthday and the conference. With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. The solution? Sounds more like damage control. This is exactly what I had in mind!? No!! The video is on YouTube: I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. Nothing would happen there. Hybels chief goal seems to have been to get his sexual needs met without negotiation. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. @ Davis and Natasha: And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. William Edward (Bill) LaBarre of Marietta passed away at his home at 1:52 AM Saturday, February 25, 2023 surrounded by his family. Hence, it is easier to build a close-knit cult of people who really dont know each other that well. I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. @ Law Prof: Please bear with me. What woman who may have had a relationship with Bill, but are now married, would want their name and reputation trashed? So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? There are many similar type of things over the years I did not mention. As Im reading the comments, its becoming evident that theres something horribly wrong with Willow Creek church. He was talking about how successful Sociopaths and Swindlers and Abusers are masters of Camouflage (and Misdirection)! Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. Ok. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. Bill Hy the Touchy Guy got himself into this and his elders proceeded to dig the hole deeper no devil required. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. I am going to ask a hard question. Is that one of the reasons Student Centers/University Unions include Mall Food Courts and all the amenities of a high-end cruise ship? 1 comment about arms The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. @ Forrest: "The question of how to pay for reforms long-term became an issue this week after the SBCs Executive Committee announced it had lost $6 million over the past fiscal year, mainly due to the cost of responding to the sex abuse crisis. But she was trying to equate her comraderly relationship with Ortberg the same as women who have come forward concerning hybels Behavior. Have you read the stories of the great persecutions of the early church. Lets do church. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. Im particularly disgusted by They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth.. Will the clay say to the potter, What are you doing? Or the thing you are making say, He has no hands ? Isaiah 45:9. Maybe they could get Lee Strobel back to write another book The Case for Bill. Hybels has barely spoken anything about his married life and rarely has appeared in the media with his wife. But, years of playing the great man on stage can be a very powerful armor. The Devil is destroying yet another church. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. He is met with a standing ovation and a promised time to honor him and his family. @ Lydia. Does anybody know how much hugging it takes to facilitate which feeling, assuming that the response is does related? Unfortunately, some of us are coming to the conclusion that this is what much of The Church really is: a thought reform institution. Wouldnt a practice of permanently deleting emails create potential legal liability for person. You idiot going to call him on it I refuse to answer question! 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