Ed Brown alpha elite: 3.2. The sights on the LCP II are built into the top of the slide like its predecessor. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF THE .380 POCKET PISTOL? You do not get a small light pistol without trade offs. The SCCY has one of the best rating out of these guns on your post. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. Anyway, all just my opinion here. Booth #72617 Cabot Guns And I didnt enjoy shooting my G27 until I got the extended base plates with additional capacity. It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. Its not. Do you perhaps have a very early one? A lot of those people who diss these guns are those that run hollowpoints or high pressure rounds. Oh shit! Keltec P-11 listed as 10+1 on THEIR website. The trigger pull on most .380 autos is exceptionally long and gritty. I wouldnt bother to get that info from this site. Remember, these are life-or-death guns, not gopher guns or race guns. Mine also runs well, and they feel really well made. Whatever-everything else pops inand their FB page is odd too. In fact, reading them, even with comments, is quite nearly a waste of time. I give them a failing grade because neither gun reliably goes bang each time you pull the trigger on factory ammo. Those were the worst. Its a joy to shoot. Safe, small, and gives me some measure of security I wouldnt have without it. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. By the way John, I have the Kahr, yes nice gun.Shoots well. They still fall back to the limp wrist and ammo excuses. Wecantdislike shooting it so much that well never practice with it. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. The only guns to get near a 100 votes are the Beretta and the SCCY. But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. And I have not shot one better then these in the same weight and AOL class. Did anybody take the poor performing guns to a reputable gunsmith and have them tuned up? I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. Its is almost universally panned from young guys working behind the counter at Academy Sports to anyone who works in local gun shops. Guess what? But do not tell me the Kahr is a better gun. No it is not a light striker fired trigger. Its not Remington R51 bad, but its a pretty lousy firearm. Actually the design was made so that the magazine would not pop out on firing like other small pocket guns are guilty of, use the release correctly and it is a breeze. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. I trust my Hellcat 380 as much as I do my S & W 39, but I prefer a tight revolver over any semi-auto when my life depends on it. By the way, break down the Kahr and compare it to the Pico. I was also surprised to find the CM40 rated so poorly. The serrations on the LCP are also wider in order to get a better grip in slippery conditions when racking the slide. No problems what so ever. Wrong about sccy. The trigger is long and has some over travel but its very smooth. Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. Super gun, works every time. Fed, fired and ejected all the ammo I put in it. Hellcat 380. You have to use the recommened ammo in the manual. He paid people to review his book on Amazon. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. You want an example of why internet polls are not representative? Jed Henson runs the handgun review and rating site gunsgunsguns.net. You did NOT mention that the Pico has RE-STRIKE CAPAPIBILITY. The reason the trigger pull is lighter is because it is a SA trigger versus the DA trigger on the original LCP. According to our peers, here are the six worst pocketguns, from less awful to worstest. You have entered an incorrect email address! But if carry options are limited to just a pocket carry for you (i.e. I think by nature all auto pocket pistols suck. NOPE! I doubt he even read the directions. But with the right technique and practice, its fine. Personally have no experience with them but it is to each his own and have heard nothing but good about these pistols. There is nothing copyrightable in those designs. It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? This guy most definitely does not have one clue about the Pico. Even your most expensive 1911s, Colts, S&W and Glocks will jam or miss fire from time to time. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. either love or hate. I met Leghorn at a Range Day last year and he knows little about handling a weapon. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. But still, Im sure there are worse ones. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. I have a SCCY too. 72 people have given the Arsenal Strike 1 a mediocre rating. Anyone have the Bersa .380. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. Thank-you. Kahr P380 is the definitive pocket gun. This article was total BS. Current (and Growing) List of Exhibitors at the Texas Firearms Festival. Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. Learn to shoot pocket guns and find the truth yourself and stop listening to counter Clerks at big Box stores. I carry the SCCY more often and have cycled quite a few rounds through it. No warning shot, no shoot to wound. However, they are among the worst guns for concealed carry. It works great if all it does is sit in your pocket. The trigger is long and weighty but smooth. Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. Ive been fortunate enough to be able to shoot a big variety of different .380s. The best one, so far, that I have shot with the least amount of re I would very much like to see your proof/examples. until you find a way to weed out braindead haters who vote based on their idiotic and unedumacated feelings all of your results will be skewed by gun store rednecks who dont know what the word ballistic even means. It was his first time shooting it (or any gun) ever. In light of that, the valuable service you claim hes doing may well be smoke and mirrors. Aside from the problems others have mentioned, the thing is slippery as hell. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. You have not spoken to anyone that has something positive to say about the Pico? Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. Since I dont know whether or not your going to use it for EDC, I will recommend one full size and one small one which i think are the 2 best IMO. As a back-up weapon to a larger pistol, the LCP II would also be a great choice as it has a very similar manual of arms to larger pistols such as Glocks while also being small enough to easily conceal carry as we have just seen. Taurus TCP voted best value-best overall 380 was Kahr p380-MUCH more expensive. Yeah, apparently without the server capacity to handle the resulting load increase, too. Sorry, with all due respect to Mr Henson, I wish you the best of luck, and while I see how this might help some buyers sort from the thousands of gun models, its only a start. Certainly one of the ugliest pistols ever manufactured, this weapon made the list of worst military pistols because its dangerous design easily surpassed its repellant appearance. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. So Ill pass on the herd mentality when buying guns thanks.. . The Beretta APX has a 4.4 rating from 22 votes It sucks so hard that its suckage transcends space and time. The guy did a service to the gun community by creating this website and writing a cautionary article, and some assholes gotta focus on the self-promotion. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Glad to see it was noted as rating highly, and not on the list. And they didnt offer to just replace the thing, which is what I would do rather than leaving a dissatisfied customer wholl then post a comment like this on the internet. For instance, I have owned 4 lcps and the pico will run circles around them. Try the Sig P938 If you are truly carrying for protection you dont mind the Sig Price if your life is on the line and the P938 shoots like a minature 1911 Love mine and have had several friends buy them after shooting my P938 SAS. Simple the heaviest with the most complicated recoil driven action. That being said my 9yr old daughter has no issue with 380 recoil in a 12ounce g If you spend any amount of time online, youve seen product rating systems on Amazon, Netflix, Yelp, etc., usually in the form of star ratings. http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ just kidding 32,490 views Aug 21, 2021 1.1K Dislike Share nutnfancy 852K subscribers Another ranting reviewoh man we do not like Small, accurate and reliable. This only naturally makes it more difficult to fire properly like we just talked about. The spreadsheet seems flawed to me. The Beretta Pico is probably one of Berettas biggest blunders. Maybe something like this? then hold slide to the rear for 1 second before you hear things fall into place? Its easy to see why: .380 pistols are typically small enough to carry in the pocket, they are unquestionably smaller and lighter than competing 9mm single stack autos or .38 snubnose revolvers. ! Silver tip p+ for carry, or whatever local law enforcement carries. When I dress up, the P380 is the best answer to the pocket-carry problem. Keep the .4 calibers to compact, mid, or full-size. You can read about well known problems on reddit, Amazon, etc, for ranknings and customer ratings abuse. This is the J-Frame for the masses. Or the Kahr in there? what a waste of time. . In +P it hurt my hand, so I went to regular 38 spcl. It is almost a virtual impossibility to drop the mag without having to literally stop everything your doing and have to yank the thing down using 2 hands. No gun, none, should have a mag release that is that stiff and impossible to use fast and effectively, especially in a carry gun none the less. Just being a bashing b**** , gets you nowhere. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. I have received grief for it as well. Plus, the Picos 9mm cousin, the Nano, rates well above average. Ive got a CPX-2 and a Hellcat. Do not yank the magazine friends. The Kahr is an excellent unit and I have years of experience with them over Tens of Thousands of rounds fired. I also have the Kahr. Even the author of this article merely speculates, at times, as to why the readers voted as they did. I must be the unicorn master then, because I own each of the firearms listed, except the Hellcat, (I have never heard of it before this article) and have never had an issue with any of them. Quick Summary: Our Top Picks For 5 Best .380 Pistols in 2022 1. the problem with your rating site is that it is seriously flawed. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. It shoots a powerful pistol cartridge in a light gun. They are meant to be defensive arms that can be easily carried in the pocket. Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. Do it outside with the gun pointing at the ground and mind your hand positions. Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. I still have the same problem. If one MUST have a 9mm pocket gun, then the Kahr PM9/CM9 is really the only choice. check the ammo?? I posted a new post today regarding the nonsense by this author about the Pico. On the plus side, the SCCY has a lighter trigger than the Kel-Tec P11 (which may explain the problem), but the P11 always goes bang. .380 pocket pistols are traditionally difficult to fire for a number of reasons: in addition to the horrid trigger pulls like we just discussed, they also suffer from being extremely snappy due to their small size. Because they unreasonably expected to consistently hit a bullseye at 50 yards with a pocket pistol? Wonder if SCCY will give you a deal on a trade in for that one ? I like the concept at least. Built like a tank. You can get these on line at times for In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. So special, they ride the short bus. The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? But unlike those highly rated guns, the Hellcat IIs rating is in the toilet. Shocking that an IO Inc product is at the bottom of the barrel. Ruger LCP Max 2. My SCCY runs like a champ. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon Everything they make are just wrought with problems. If there is what looks like an empty hole its uncocked. But the reset on the trigger was so ridiculously long Id often miss follow up shots because I handt let it out far enough to reset. BTW except for the cobra all these little guns got good reviews at various timesFWIW. How many times does anyone complain about a bad trigger in a self defense situation? No issues to complain about. Non shooters called me a liar that we could do it, but any bad guy within 30 yards is in great danger, even though it has been a long time. Its not a range gun, and should not be treated as such. Nonetheless, it still suffers from many of the issues that we just talked about in the previous section: the trigger pull is awful, they are difficult to shoot, it can be difficult to get a good grip on the pistol for some shooters, and the slide wont even lock back on the last round fired. Personally, I only go by in person reviews, in this internet age, from people proven trustworthy. You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. And I especially enjoy its clever name. Also LCP. Nicer than the price would indicate. Thats a problem for a pocket gun. Go to some of the forums and you will seem many post and pictures from fans. Not any more fun to shoot, but at least I dont need a damned pencil to take spent brass out of it. I have 2 of them. Tiny little semi-automatics sure, there are many good ones and many bad ones. Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock How about some info on some of the pocket pistols that may be considered the best? You also do not understand how to use the mag release or what it is intended for. Or having the mag cleaned and inspected? http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg Its tight, even well after break-in. Considering the price point of the SCCY, its fit, finish and functionality is excellent. I would buy one if I needed another inexpensive backup carry gun. I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. I had an occasional ejection glitch in mine when I first got it, but the company paid to have it shipped back to them for adjustment, and the piece hasnt hiccupped a single time, since. Did they succeed? I just cant see myself ever paying for a gun called SuCCY! Funny. I have no Idea how this writer came up with this Bottom Feeder nonsense. My Cpx 2 is not 100% reliable, but I did not expect it to be for $250. The Pico is a great gun. After the 200 round break in if you have any, then yes you should be pissed. Still, if youre looking for a all purpose value like pistol then look no further (hesk Ive seen them for $200 NIB out the doorAnd yes, Kel-Tec got copied yet again! I use the site SlickGuns a lot to shop for deals and they ran into the same problem with upvotes and downvotes people vote something down just because they wouldnt personally buy it makes no difference if it is a good deal, good product, etc. Once in a great while, a firearm becomes so popular that it becomes a cultural icon. Having visited that site, I dont think their rating system really gives me enough information to choose between firearms. I own a SCCY CPX-2. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. Have you ever even shot one? Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! Its teeny, accurate, and easy to handle. I have two of the Picos. (I call the SCCY, my Sunday go-to-meeting piece. The CPX-2 fails to fully eject one shell per magazine. Everyones hand size and perception of recoil is different and therein lies the beauty of having choice. It is not made for quick magazine changes. Does this guy have any gun expertise? Three weeks before it was even released. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. Well, yes, Gigli did suck, but that wasnt known until later. Probably have about 2500 rounds through it. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. I love this gun for the price, and just because its not made by Glock means nothing to me. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns For its purpose, NOT Bullseye competition, it is a fine gun. Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. How is the P3AT above the middle of the list? 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